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is it true that those killed Al Kiddush Hashem dont feel the pain?

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is it true that those killed Al Kiddush Hashem dont feel the pain. And is there documented evidence that martys did indeed expirence pain and expressed it through screaming, ie at the auto de fe?

EDIT: See this post for more information on the matter!


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    This view is known as a shitah of some Rishonim - platoJul 10  '12 at 22:47
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    Plato — which rishonim? Where do they say that? - b aJul 17  '12 at 23:02
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In the piyut on Yom Kipur (and Tishah B'Av) about the Asarah Harugei Malchus, we say that Chananyah ben Tradyon asked the executioner to remove the cloth that was causing the fire to pain him longer. This clearly implies that Chananyah ben Tradyon felt pain.


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3   @ba Great proof. Just to add, the paytan's source is the Gemara Avodah Zarah 18a which recounts the whole story. - Dov FJul 10  '12 at 20:14
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2   See the last page of this: http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/vl/kinot/kinot06.pdf - b aJul 10  '12 at 20:16
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    busy looking for my machzor - King of KingsJul 10  '12 at 20:12
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    Very good proof. check out my own answer based on yours - Old WineJul 10  '12 at 20:20
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    found the machzor hiding under the stairs! - King of KingsJul 10  '12 at 20:26
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The talmidim asked Rabbi Akiva when he was being tortured with iron combs and was still saying Krias Shema, Rebbe, even to this extent? This means they new that the pain was unbearable!


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    Unbelievable Proof. +1 - Oiker HarimJul 11  '12 at 08:27
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Perhaps this vort was said on the actual pain of death itself, i.e. on the separation of the body and the neshama. However the torture before would still be agony!


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Check out B A answer. That made me think of when one Reb Yishmoel Kohein Gadol was flayed, he let out a big scream. That would seem that it hurt a lot


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3   Chas Vesholom! The Gemoro clearly explains that he screamed becauase they were touching his Mokoim HaTefillin! Take that back! - DannyJul 10  '12 at 20:41
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    why would he scream just because they touched his makom hatefillin? - Joe ShmoeJul 11  '12 at 08:14
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1   @JoeShmoe Because it was an extremely holy place being defiled. Perhaps it was also becuase that is where he wore the Tzitz! - disgruntledGoatJul 11  '12 at 15:45
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    @disgruntledGoat it wasn't defiled, they were just torturing him there - Joe ShmoeJul 12  '12 at 00:03
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