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would a person who crashes into another car whilst speeding be exempt from paying?

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Let us say a car was speeding and bumped into another car and causing an accident. Let us say that although no one was hurt, it very easily could have turned out differently that people would have been killed.

Would that make the driver into a Roidef whilst driving? Would he therefore be exempt from paying because of Kom Lei Bedraboh Mineh?


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1   I like the question - shteeblehopperAug 14  '12 at 12:58
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@SJR Shmuel is right. It's an explicit gemara.


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    which gemoro? and why is this not a comment? comments are used posts that are not answering the question, perhaps add the gemoro and what you see from there to make this an answer by itself! - disgruntledGoatAug 15  '12 at 00:47
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    Hi rodef, which gemora can i bring to prove it - Shmuel YaacovsonAug 15  '12 at 00:52
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    where is the explicit Gemara? - SJRAug 15  '12 at 19:02
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ANY driver is a potential ROIDEF - HOWEVER the Din of Kim Lei does not apply to a case where someone "could have got killed" only where someone actually got killed. This question reminds me of a Shayla asked to a big Rav - "I was standing on the corner and a second after I left there was a huge car accident. Had i been there for one more second I would not be alive - should I Bentch Goimel?" The Rav replied "My wife hung my pants on the line to dry (10 floors up) and they fell off the line - had I been in them I would not be alive - should I Bentch Goimel?" - המבין יבין


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    this is wrong, a Roidef is patur from paying even if he does not end up killing the person he intended to kill because he forfeited his life whilst chasing his victim. But i like your story though - Shmuel YaacovsonAug 14  '12 at 20:09
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    By a Yid we say Machshovah Toive Mitztarfim, Machshova ra'ah ain mitztarfim, if he did not actually kill him why would Kim Lei apply? - A source would be nice - SJRAug 14  '12 at 20:21
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    this is because he is not getting killed for killing, he is getting killed for trying to kill! - Shmuel YaacovsonAug 15  '12 at 00:52
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    Where do you find a case where a Yid gets מיתה for attempted murder and is still פטור from any damages caused in the process. A source/case in Gemara would be nice - SJRAug 15  '12 at 18:55
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    actually the gemoro in sanhedrin says that because he could be killed because he is a roidef, he is patur if he breaks vessels during the chase - gadol hadorAug 15  '12 at 20:32
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I would say that most speeding drivers do not end up in an accident! Even the most reckless only get hurt lets say at the max 10 percent of the time. So with no intent to kill, and such a small percentage like that, he is definitely not a Roidef!!!


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    quite right on the maths, but perhaps even a 10 percent is considered an oines - disgruntledGoatAug 15  '12 at 00:53
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